Tuesday, October 13, 2009
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The second image is that of the flying birds, symbolizing Edna's process of multiple awakenings throughout the story. She sees this image while she is out by the sea with Robert, who consequently is the one mostly responsible for Edna's Awakening (as she states at the end of the story). The flying birds show how Edna is finally seeing the world as she should, through free eyes and not through the iron bars of men's control.
The third image comes at the end of the story. It is of the bird with a broken wing, which is falling towards the sea below. This image is introduced when Edna returns to Grand Isle by herself. She sees this image right before she decides to end her life due to all the tension from her desires and obligations. This image shows how Edna is broken by the contradicting desires she feels in her heart. To either be true to her choice of marrying Leonce or giving in to her desires for Robert. According to mademoiselle Reisz her wings were not strong enough to carry her above prejudice and support her flight that contradicts societal norms of the times.
This book relates strongly with one of the first articles read in class, Gender in the Home, which gives examples of how Carribean immigrant women are expected to act. They are expected to stay in the home and tend to the household chores, such as cleaning the house and caring for the children. Women are also limited from leaving the house to pursue education or their own desires, whatever they may be.
It can be said that Edna has many Awakenings throughout the story. (1)When she refuses to follow Leonce into the house after her first swim. This is where she says she wants to go farther into sea, farther than any woman has gone before. (2) When she sleeps in strangers bed and awakes to see the world through different eyes. (3) When she chooses to move out from her home with Leone. This final one asserts her independence from Leonce and male domination. Possible 4) There can also be an awakening at the end of the story when she decides to commit suicide. Here, she comes to the realization that she cannot wholly be herself in this male dominated world. She feels she is not strong enough, although there were other women who were. Therefore she chooses to end her life by swimming in the sea which caused her first awakening. It is her final slumber.
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Question: What other feminist ideas are prevalent throughout the story? How are they revealed both the Edna and the reader?
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Monday, October 12, 2009
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Question: Did the Leonce found out the relationship between Robert and Edna?
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Which symbolisms are depicted in the novel other than birds, water, art, and clothes?
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Comment: At the end of The Awakening Edna commits suicide. This was a strange and abrupt was to end the book. Part of me thinks that by doing this Chopin is suggesting Edna's defeat. Like the bird that falls from the sky before she goes into the water, Edna's wings were not strong enough for her to fly away freely. As Messner discussed in discussion today, his student from prison suggested the idea that most people don't know they have bars around them and once they realize they are there they will probably not be able to live on the outside of their "cage" because they have unknowingly been inside for so long. Chopin could possibly be suggested that this happened to Edna and that she ultimately failed in becoming independent. However, I don't think that Edna failed. She broke free of many of the bounds of her society and age cohort. Edna's suicide symbolized her arrival to ultimate freedom. Edna could not live happily in her society; she could not lead the life she wanted to lead. By commiting suicide she released herself from her bodily bounds and freed her mind.
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Kate Chopin essentially broke down all boundaries of the time when she decided to write The Awakening. The novel would even be slightly controversial now, but at the time it was written, her ideas were not even heard of. Chopin relays the feminist message through Edna Pontellier, who is a mother and a wife, though she is seemingly unattached from her family and does not pay much attention to them. She leaves them and attempts to escape the reality of life’s responsibilities. The novel definitely subverts the gender norm that women, especially in the 1900’s, must be housewives and mothers. It is interesting that Edna’s husband continues to reach for his wife’s attention. The gender roles seem to have been switched from the expected values of the early 20th century. Although I recognize the feminist image Edna’s character portrays, I also believe it is an extreme illustration of how a woman should individualize herself. There are other ways to be independent rather than abandoning one’s family and then committing suicide. Edna pursues an adulterous relationship and abandons her children, yet she is supposed to be an image of feminism. I feel that the extremity of her actions is not something to be seen as positive, but I can understand the theme that women can be individuals and empower themselves.
Question: How do you think other women in the time period would react to a character like Edna? Would any agree and follow her ideas? Or were her actions too extreme?
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Question: What excatly pushed Edna to create that close relationshops between her and Robert?
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Comments: After reading The Awakening, I became more aware of how the society in the 1800's effected women. Edna was paralyzed by a society that made her feel nothing. She was forced into a marriage not based on love, but on the demands of her family and assumed the role as a dependable wife and mother. But after her summer with Robert, Edna goes from her life as a devoted wife and mother to a rebel. She becomes aware of her own independence and sexuality and refuses to return to her old lifestyle. Inevitably, Edna finds her freedom in the sea at Gran Isle. Although the author leaves the question of Edna's motives unasnwered, I believe this symbolizes her cowerdly surrender to her problems, since she decided to take the easy way out and not face reality.
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It is interesting that in the book The Awakening mentions a lot of different topics we discussed in class, such as races, classes, gender, etc. The most impressive thing in the book for me is Kate Chopin was married her husband not for love, but for family, conformity norms, political and financial arrangement which someone mentioned in class today. I do believe that marriage must contains love; however, the marriage at that time was not mainly or only based on love, but also some other social issues. Also, the independence of Edna shown in the book also seems interesting. As at that time, women were suppose to be stay at home as being a good wife and a good mother. She chose her own way to live. She did not allowed people to visit her, and she just enjoyed in her drawing. She looked like the outsider within at that time.
Question:: Why critics said the book is not a healthy book at that time? Why they judged this way, based on what socail structure at that time?
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Question: Can parallels be drawn between the experiences of Kate Chopin's characters and her own life? What allowed Chopin to make such subversive social commentaries?
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Apart from being a timeless work of literature, Edna's story expresses the harshness and intolerance of society. Even though Edna conformed to being the maternal figure everybody wanted from her, liberating herself and being promiscuous was what she wanted from herself--this being something society did not accept and thus leading to her ultimate downfall.
Question: Along the lines of what Messner mentioned in today's lecture, if Edna has access to so much domestic help and is not allowed to do much socially or outside the house, how is someone like her supposed to be creative?
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Comment: What I found intriguing about The Awakening is that Kate Chopin touches on many of the axes of difference we have discussed in our class. Race, sexual orientation, and social status are extremely prevalent issues in the book and for the general era. Conservative ideals of such factors shaped the way in which men and women often functioned in daily life and, in particular, within the home. Additionally, Chopin expresses a recurrent juxtaposition between freedom and oppression, patriarchal gender roles and modern gender roles, constrained and highly enabled sexuality, and objectivity and subjectivity. Edna was able to channel and express her emotions in a revolutionary way, by voicing her desire to break away from what was commonly accepted (and even demanded) of a wife and mother. She left her husband, for example, and became an independent individual, which mirrors the same kind of actions among other culturally oppressed groups.
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Comment: after reading this book, this leads me know more about the social structure of different gender in the past. Basically, I know there are “tradition” concepts to restrict women statues. For example, Edna’s job should be taking care of her children and her husband. However, the main reason that she married with her husband is not they both fall in love, the main reason is based on the family pressure, such as financial problems or social norms. However, in this book, I know that there are not all the women would like to face to their faith. Women would fight for their rights or they would do something to against the faith. Somehow, the character of this book is a little bit reflects the author. They also break the social norms and want to be independent.
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Considering that the sea symbolizes freedom, does Edna's suicide represent her liberating triumph or rather her surrender to the limitations around her?
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Question: Why is it that none of the other women responded to Robert’s advances in the same way as Edna? Is it simply because she was not a Creole or is it because she saw other men of interest in her life “melt away?”
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What are examples of symbolism in Kate Chopin's The Awakening?
There are many examples of symbolism in The Awakening, but the ones that seem to stand out the most are the symbols of the sea and the birds. Both the sea and the birds represent freedom to Edna and probably to most women in the Victorian Era. Like the birds, the women's movements and decisions are limited by society. As the novel begins, Kate Chopin compares Edna and other Victorian women to the birds in the bird cages, trapped. For Edna, this is not a big deal at first because she does not know what she is missing and has not yet begun to awaken. Edna has everything and is well taken care of by her husband; she is not wanting for anything materially but still trapped. Edna cannot fly away to freedom; she is tied by social constraints and especially by her family. When she tries to escape from her lifestyle after her realization, she goes to a pidgeon house, which is also indicative of her still restricted lifestyle. The ocean also is a symbol of freedom to her. She is very elated to learn how to swim and sees this as a huge achievement and also at the end of the novel uses the ocean as what seems to her, the ultimate freedom.
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It interests me that Edna got married and had children because she felt compelled to by society, it is for this very reason that she ends up ultimately leaving her husband and children. It seem to me that the social constraints placed on her forced her to do things that hurt other people, because she wasn’t doing things for herself, only for other people. This was such a negative impact on her husband and children and disheartening to hear, but I think that it would have been avoided if society had fostered a more supportive atmosphere for women to pursue their own happiness. I am glad that in today’s time women have the freedom to do so, and so possibly some husbands and children were spared the same hurt Edna’s husband and children experienced. I personally blame the social constraints in Edna’s time for her actions and the hurt she put on her family.
Question: Do you think that families themselves have benefited from the independence and freedom women have accrued over the years? More so, do you think that bad family situations have lessened because of the women’s revolution, or that families have actually suffered because their mothers are encouraged to be independent and pursue their own happiness?
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Question: How does Edna reject the ideal family structure and values of the 1900’s?
The family structure that reigned during the 1900s focused on the distinct roles of the mother and the father. The father was supposed to be the provider. He was to work and bring in an income to support his family. The wives and mothers in the family had the sole responsibility to care for the home and their children. The mother’s power in the household would be secondary to the father’s authoritative status. In many families of the 1900s, the wife/mother was seen as an object of the father’s, which would further place the wife/mother in a powerless position. Throughout the novel The Awakening, Edna rejects the objectification of most women in family structures. Not only does Edna refuse to be identified as the mother of her children (she loves her children very much, but would not give up herself for your children), but Edna also moves out of the home to further challenge the “ideal” physical familial structure. Edna seeks to find her own identity through her self-discovery rather than following the trend of letting her other family members define who she is. Although the other characters of the book deem Leonce, Edna’s husband, to be the best husband in the world, Edna disagrees. Perhaps most women find him to be the best husband because he adheres to the definition of husband/father of the 1900’s. However, as Edna seeks autonomy and independence as a woman (rather than the notion of the “mother-woman”), she is repelled by Leonce’s behavior and contribution to the objectification of women. Chopin also includes the fact that Edna married out of obligation, which sets the stage for Edna’s rejection of the presiding norms revolving around familial structure and relationships. Through her actions, Edna clearly rejects the subservient, passive nature of the woman-mother figure that is idolized in the early 1900s.
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I thought it was interesting that Professor Messner introduced the idea of individual acts of creative rebellion. Although I wouldn't necessarily consider it creative, Edna's suicide certainly stands out as an act of rebellion against the social mores that she was expected to uphold. The Awakening itself is an individual act of creative rebellion. I also found it interesting that Professor Messner highlighted the need for these individual acts to be combined with an organized movement so that the collective efforts of these will all be able to transform the values of society.
I would ask "What would have happened if Robert didn't leave?"
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How does Chopin describe Edna’s process from being a subject to her husband to be an independent woman? With a notice, how the racism in the book shown? What some symbolism in the book?
Comment: The awakening shows us the story how Edna to be an independent woman through out her lives. In the book, Chopin starts with the parrot in the cage in the beginning. It symbols Edna’s life that is constrained by the society and people around her. However, Edna is looking for a life for herself. She is not a mother figure at all who is supposed to be a housewife rather looking for something else outside. She hides her sexuality because she is afraid of being isolated by the society. Meize is her role model but she is afraid of being her because she might be alone all life long. She wants to be an artist, express her ideas and doing what she wants to do. In order to demonstrate herself, she learns to how to swim, listening to Meize playing piano and rent a house to live on her own. Finally, she figures out how she is going to do to be independent
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The initial metaphor of the bird trapped in the cage carries through the novel as Edna being trapped by her surroundings from a feminist point of view. Various aspects of her life stifle her such as her husband, children, and, especially, the social responsibility she holds as a women. She is neither required to educate herself and go into the work force not to devote herself to household as she has employees to take care of that. Edna is respectable due to her individuality and conviction to stay true to herself and not worry about societal implications. She does what she wishes and does not let herself be negatively affected by what people attempt to demand of her. She is constantly doubted and criticized by her husband, not wanting his ‘property’ to be damaged or out of the ordinary. She is not willing to lose herself to society, her husband, or her children. She is willing to give up her belongings and any material possession for her children and even give her own life. However, she is not willing to give up herself; she is not willing to lose her identity for her children. This is an admirable trait of Edna as she is committed to holding true to her own personality, yet, at times, it is very selfish of her. In the beginning, when her husband begs her to go check up on their children, she is very unwilling to do so, and, when she finally does, she has little concern for children. She does not have a consistent care for them when she is not around them and does not dote on her children. She is the exact opposite of Adele, however, this is only good to a certain extent. If Edna showed a bit more concern yet still held true to her own set of beliefs, she would be more admirable of a mother. Simply not performing the tasks expected of her does not make her a strong character but rather one to ignore her responsibilities, the most important being her children.
Does Edna’s individuality prevent her from being a compassionate mother responsible for caring for them? Does her dedication to preserving her identity cause her to be irresponsible and careless to any degree?
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So why is it that Edna's independence is cast in a negative light instead of portrayed as a positive thing? And why do you think Edna and Adele's relationship sparked Edna to find her own identity and independence instead of motivating her to become a great wife and mother?
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More specifically, Edna Pontellier was a women striving for things that her society didn’t believe she should be entitled to including freedom, individuality, love, sex, and equality. I feel this struggle is ageless and every woman has felt this way at some point in their lives - the desire to escape to find more, more meaning, more depth, more worth. For Edna, despite being reminded by her husband that she should be happy and fulfilled by her role as wife and mother to their children, she is unable to find the contentment. It is interesting when Edna realizes in the book that there is nothing wrong with wanting more in her life and that really what’s wrong are the rules she must live by.
I have a few questions…How are mothers represented in The Awakening? What about single/independent women? Do you think Edna is a good role model to young women today and why/why not? If you were to meet Edna Pontellier, what would you ask her and say to her in response to her actions? And If the Awakening were to be turned into a movie today which actress do you believe would do Edna’s character justice? Why?
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The notions about the role of the female highlighted in Kate Chopin's The Awakening were revolutionary for their time. If Kate Chopin were to be writing in the present day, how would the presentation about the role of women be the same? How would it differ?
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Kate Chopin brought up a taboo issue back in the day and seemed to agree with it, which stirred criticisms from the media. However, today the story of women infidelity is not as shocking anymore. I think that the story really marks an awakening in the history where women, previously constricted in a tedious marriage life and limiting social norms, were starting to become more independent, bold, and free to do one’s passions. Edna Pontellier’s character actually possesses many admirable qualities that many women would want to achieve: independent, somewhat rebellious, yet passionate and courageous. Her courageous step to break out of the stereotypes and the women expectations could make her seem like a hero or a role model for other women in that era, who were taught to be conformist and submissive. I feel that the ‘self-actualization’ that Edna experienced is still applicable today. Women can still relate to this experience and in various ways, which is probably one of the reasons why this book is a classic.
Question: What does committing suicide have to do with the awakening?
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Question:
What causes Edna to become so distant from her family? What does her family and her obligations to her family members represent?
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Comment: Edna's character creates a kind of paradox of many female gender norms. On the one hand, she values her own independence and wants to exist without being held back by her husband. On the other hand, she lets her actions be determined by the men in her life, and is never actually without a male character who keeps her company. Also, Edna does not view her children in a typically feminine or nurturing way, and often acts discordantly with the view of an ideal wife. However, she is always described as being beautiful and feminine, and finds it very important to approach unpleasant topics with delicacy when in public. I feel as if this paradox represents the author's position. Although Kate Chopin was clearly filled with ideas that were very revolutional at the time, she was also completely absorbed in a society where women filled a very specific role.
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Comment: In the beginning and the middle of the storyline, Edna Pontellier is portrayed as an independent woman who goes after what she wants—someone who many people would call a feminist. However, towards the end of the book, I got the impression that she was selfish more than anything else. She did whatever she pleased and did not take the feelings and emotions of others into consideration: her husband’s worries, Arobin’s sincere feelings, and her children’s needs. When she was in her state of depression after Robert left her, she said that she “understood now clearly what she had meant long ago when she said to Adele Ratignolle that she would give up the unessential, but she would never sacrifice herself for her children” (108). She put herself over everyone else—even her children. Moreover, I felt like her final act was an indication of both her selfishness and weakness.
Question: How does The Awakening and/or the character of Edna Pontellier reflect the life of Kate Chopin?
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While talking to Robert about the intentions of his spur of the moment trip to Mexico, Edna says, “I suppose this is what you would call unwomanly; but I have into a habit of expressing myself. It doesn’t matter to me, and you may think me unwomanly if you like” (100). I like this quote immensely, and I feel it accurately sums up all that Edna represents in The Awakening. She does not play the subdued wife and mother who always succumbs to her husbands wishes. On the contrary, Edna Pontillier is a strong woman who represents independence and free will. She opts to move houses and throws lavish parties. She leaves her children in order to go out on her own and find herself. She has flings with more than one man. She has a “habit of expressing [herself]”, unfiltered and sometimes uncontrollable.
One question I have is about the significance of the character, Arobin. Chopin shows Edna Pontillier as a woman who goes after what she wants and who isn’t afraid of defying social norms. After reading the novel, we find out that Edna is truly passionate for Robert, thus performing an act of infidelity. Why, then, is Arobin’s character important? She shows some interest in him, yet nothing as strong as Robert, which makes Arobin seem somewhat insignificant.
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Comment: I think it is interesting to see how, although Mrs. Pontellier is inside and basically immersed in the Creole tradition and culture, she is really an outsider-within because she herself is not Creole and is not accustomed to many of their behaviors still to that day. I wonder how the Creole people feel about her not really being part of "them" culturally-wise. I like how Chopin allows the reader to know Mrs. Pontellier's thoughts because it creates this divide among gendered, racial, and sometimes class lines which is what we had been discussing in class.